Wednesday, September 19, 2007

Okc Trolleys Part 1

Go To Trains & Trolleys Intro   Go To Trains, Part 1
Go To Trains Part 2   Go To Trains Part 3
Go To Trains Part 2A   Go To Trolleys Part II

Background   Anton Classen & John Shartel   Trolley Pics

At The Diamond
From Whitstle Stop Trains


On February 6, 1903, the Oklahoman headline read, "Car Service Next Monday," and indeed it was. The article tells a brief story about a "Boomer" who had witnessed a trial run. He had sighted "the modern electric flyer" moving north on Broadway, and "His amazement was apparent."
Leaning forward, with his hands thrown out, sombrero tilted back, this survivor of the picturesque band of intrepid adventurers which effected the opening of Oklahoma to white settlement stood with his eyes riveted upon the receding car until it disappeared fro view over the crest of the North Broadway divide, when, straightening up and heaving a great sigh, he exclaimed:

"Well, by thunder! They've sure got them cars toted by lightnin."
With this solitary comment the" boomer" entered the nearest saloon and quieted his nerves by swallowing a four-finger quantum of fire water with a toast to "civilization and the memory of David Payne."
The article noted that, initially, there would be two lines, the University Line (South Broadway to University Heights) and the Maywood Line (Stiles Park to Colcord Park and Delmar Garden). If that be so, the routing would quickly change ... When Oklahoma Took The Trolley says that, "The original plan called for a four-mile double-tracked loop around the downtown district on Main Street and Grand Ave., but by February 7, 1903, cars were operated on a more elaborate system including a line from Choctaw and Broadway north to 13th and Broadway; a line from Main and Broadway west to Western; a line from Reno and Harvey north to Fourth, west to Walker and north to 13th, and a line from Stiles Park from Fourth and Broadway via Harrison Ave."

Whichever report is more correct, Trolleys Part 1 traces the beginnings and the development of trolleys, "traction" rail, in Oklahoma City. My sources are (1) the Oklahoman's archives, (2) When Oklahoma Took the Trolley by Allison Chandler and Stephen D. Maquire (Interurbans 1980), (3) Born Grown by Roy P. Stewart (Fidelity Bank 1974), (4) Oklahoma City: Land Run to Statehood by Terry L. Griffith (Arcadia Publishing Co. 1999), (5) Oklahoma City: Statehood to 1930 by Terry L. Griffith (Arcadia Publishing Co. 2000), (6) Oklahoma County: Heart of the Promised Land by Bob L. Blackburn (Windsor Publications 1982), (7) Vanished Splendor (I) by Jim Edwards and Hal Ottaway (Abalache Book Shop Publishing Co. 1982), (8) Vanished Splendor II by Jim Edwards and Hal Ottaway (Abalache Book Shop Publishing Co. 1983), (9) Historic Photos of Oklahoma City by Larry Johnson (Turner Publishing 2007), (10) this nice article at the Metropolitan Library System (you may need to press your "refresh key" ... F5 ... after clicking the link), and (11) Oklahoma City's First Mass Transit System: Who Brought the Streetcars for People to Ride? by Kim K. Bender (Oklahoma Historical Society, Chronicles of Oklahoma, Vol. 72, No. 2, Summer 1994). Occasionally, I found inconsistencies in various reports and, sometimes, errors, and I'll note these as it becomes relevant. Image sources are noted with each picture but most are from a wonderful CD produced by Whitstle Stop Trains located at 1313 West Britton Road in Oklahoma City.

The "ending" point of Trolleys Part I is a bit blurry, but, generally, it ends around 1910-1913 but excludes the 1911 strike and interurban development – that will be covered in Trolleys Part 2 long with the 1923 floods, economic ups and downs, lots more pics along the way, and the end of the line in 1947. I also expect to edit this post from time to time.

In this post, click on any image for a larger view.

THE BACKGROUND. If interstate steam locomotives and trains were instrumental in placing Oklahoma City "on the map," local electric trolley and interurban railways were what helped the Oklahoma City "map" grow! Aside from interstate and intrastate steam engines, Oklahoma City was born in the days of horses, wagons, and buggies, and not until the trolleys arrived did Oklahoma City acquire the mobility to enable expansion beyond its then small geographical turf. As said in the Metropolitan Library System article linked above,

At this [1903] time Oklahoma City was a town of about 14,000 people crowded into about four square miles - bounded by Western Ave. on the west, Eastern Ave. on the east, Thirteenth St. on the north and the river on the south.
Oklahoma City's trolley and interurban system (using the phrase loosely) was not funded by public funds ... it was funded by capitalists who poured millions of dollars into developing and maintaining the system. Was it intended to make a profit? Sure ... but it would take a pretty dim-witted economist to think that over time that the magnitude of investment would reap any significant return on even a magnificent number of riders paying a 5 cent fare (the rate for a very long time). If they had any shortcomings (as all of us do), one would be hard-pressed to argue that the likes of Anton Classen and/or John Shartel lacked business savvy when it came to making a buck, and lots of them!

These guys made their big bucks by virtue of their unofficial role as "city planners." After obtaining a franchise from the city, it was pretty much up to a company to develop the lines as they saw fit (in the absence of a city council's prohibition of placing track on a particular street). If they knew what they intended, land, and lots of it, could be acquired before the line was actually developed ... of course, by other companies who not coincidentally were at least partially owned by the same principal stockholders of the traction lines themselves. And, what about construction? The traction companies did not "build" the tracks ... that work was contracted out ... and guess who to? That would be to yet another company whose stock was at least partially owned by the stockholders in the trolley company. And, what about financing the nice new house away from downtown ... mortgage and/or construction lenders were needed for that, and ... same story.

Now, please don't take this as criticism of the capitalists ... and I do not doubt that some if not all of them understood and followed the concept of enlightened self-interest, Alexis de Tocqueville having coined that phrase many years earlier. These early day capitalists did a heck of a lot of good for the city, including lots of trees being planted as well as providing inexpensive transportation for the public good. And, let's not forget that they gambled a bunch of money that Oklahoma City would become the metropolitan area that they worked at it becoming. But, while one might wax nostalgic about good things gone by, it would be a great mistake to shed a tear for the capitalists ultimately not being able to make a profit on the trolley system as times changed ... as they would after a good bit of geographic expansion occurred, and as they would after automobiles became available and affordable. Many made enormous profits in the by-products of trolley development which were not lost when the trolley system faltered or did not succeed.

Anton Classen & John Shartel. The names most often associated with Oklahoma City's traction "system" have already been mentioned: John Shartel (left below) and Anton Classen (right). Shartel moved from Kansas to Guthrie in 1889 and then to Oklahoma City in 1898. He was a teacher by trade, then "read law" to become a lawyer before coming to Oklahoma. He died in April 1926 during a period of ORC controversy. Classen, born in 1861, was an Illinois native, left his family's farm at the age of 16, obtained a law degree at the University of Michigan in 1887, and homesteaded near Edmond. In 1897 he was appointed receiver for the U.S. Land office in Oklahoma City and in 1901 quit that job to form his own land company, the Classen Company. He served three terms as president of the Commercial Club, predecessor to the Chamber of Commerce. He died in December 1922. It is said that of all the early-day Oklahoma developers that Anton Classen had the most vision of what the city could become.

In 1901, the Metropolitan Railway Company was formed, the stock being owned John Shartel, among others, and the company was granted a franchise in early December 1901.

In late December 1901, Harold Berry, a New York investor, had been granted a franchise by the city. However, in February 1902, Anton Classen purchased this franchise from Berry. Bender's article opines that, "Classen and Shartel probably conspired from the beginning to form a single franchise after buying out Berry's interest to establish local control."

In March 1902, Classen surrendered his franchise to Shartel on "condition that Metropolitan build and maintain an electric railway line to the northwest part of the city where he possessed considerable land holdings," according to Bender, who adds, "Shartel also agreed to continue using the Metropolitan Construction Company, a company Classen controlled, as the principal contractor for the Metropolitan Railway Company." Vastly oversimplifying, another entity, the "Oklahoma City Railway Company," wanted to build a line south from Britton but it was unable to obtain a franchise to enter Oklahoma City. A merger occurred between Metropolitan and the latter line with the surviving name being the "Oklahoma City Railway Company," and, in 1907, it reorganized again becoming the "Oklahoma Railway Company." Through this process, Classen and Shartel remained the dominant owners. For much greater detail, see the very excellent article in a large PDF file by Kim A. Bender, the best that I've seen on these and other inner workings of the traction companies during the early 1900s.

Other Players. Although Classen and Shartel dominated and eventually controlled the trolley market in Oklahoma City, others were on the scene, as well. For example, William Harn (who donated the land that the State Capitol sits on) operated a small line, the Capitol Traction Company, which passed by the State Capital when it was done and also a couple of lines that served northeast Oklahoma City. But, it was C.E. Patterson that made the news. Had I not been scouring through the Oklahoman's archives during this early period, I'd have missed out on the fun since (but for some reference in Bender's article) the topic is not covered in the literature that I've referenced at the top of this post.

Commonly known as "The Patterson Line," but also as the "Oklahoma Traction Company," the "Oklahoma Interurban Traction Company," and perhaps some other names I've missed, Patterson had been granted a franchise in 1905 to construct and operate lines in certain areas in Oklahoma City and, by the time 1909 rolled around, he had done a few ... I'm not certain of this, but I think some lines in the Capitol Hill area and to Packingtown ... the writers aren't very precise when describing the original owners of each of the lines and the Patterson lines are not mentioned at all except in Bender's article.

In any event, Patterson wanted to expand and apparently his original franchise inhibited that. He said that he wanted to build interurban lines to both El Reno and Shawnee, and he was certainly not the first to advocate either of the lines — the Oklahoma Railway Company, as well as others, had been talking about doing that for several years. In early 1909, Patterson circulated a petition calling for an initiative (referendum) vote on whether his franchise should be expanded and in March Mayor Scales determined that the petition had sufficient signatures to put the matter to a vote ... a mini-train war was on!

The contestants were Patterson in one corner, and the Oklahoma Railway Company (Shartel & Classen), the Oklahoma City Chamber of Commerce, and the Oklahoman in the other. And, they came out swinging!

Patterson's referendum petition did not expressly mention anything about building interurban lines ... but it would grant his company the right to construct lines within Oklahoma City which would facilitate the development of interurban routes — and which would place the Patterson Lines in direct competition with the Oklahoma Railway Company within the city proper. More, even though the Oklahoma Railway Company was said to be "friendly" with the El Reno Interurban Company (it served El Reno and Yukon) and the two companies had plans for an El Reno to Oklahoma City interurban line, that had not occurred. Just a few months earlier, the Chamber had put up $50,000 to help make that happen. The "Interurban Committee" of the Chamber had met at the Savoy Restaurant on April 21, according to the April 22 Oklahoman, and passed a resolution opposing the granting of "blanket" franchises to street car companies, which meant, the Patterson Lines. The "Interurban Committee" ran this ad in the April 23 Oklahoman warning voters about the Patterson proposal:



It was repeated on April 24. Patterson's reply came on that day, also ...



... and the next, on April 25 ...



... check out the cool cartoon ...



... and both sides had ads on April 27, election day ...


Page 1 of the April 27 Oklahoman contained a box in the lower left corner urging the voters to vote "No" on the franchise. But what is more interesting on page 1 has to do with the mayoral election between Mayor Henry Scales and his principal opponent, one George Dodson who, judging by the Oklahoman's front-page political cartoons, must have had Guthrie roots. Dodson had apparently incurred organized labor's ire by having the temerity to use non-union labor to construct a four-apartment-flats project in Oklahoma City — and, recall that, in these days, the Oklahoman was a newspaper that identified itself with Democrats and labor, not with Republicans and capitalists.

One of the "fun" things when researching the Oklahoman's archives are the occasional items found which have nothing to do with what is being researched, and the Oklahoma's caricatures of Dodson on the front pages of its April 27 and April 28 editions say a heck of a lot about the racial insensitively which was apparently commonplace in this time. Have a look ...

Front Page, April 27, 1909





Front Page on April 28, Dodson Having Lost the Election


Back to topic. Notwithstanding his formidable opposition, Patterson won the election by 506 votes, 2,866 to 2,360. But, what did that "victory" mean for the development of either trolley lines in the city or interurban lines anywhere? Not much, really. Patterson's attempts to construct lines on streets the city had "restricted" (e.g., Robinson Avenue) or elsewhere were generally thwarted one way or another ... even though he may have managed a few. But, after litigation resulted in unfavorable results in local courts and the state Supreme Court on at least one occasion, in the end, he threw in the towel (my conclusion) and on October 21, 1913, he sold his lines to the "North Canadian Valley Railroad Company" — which, not uncoincidentally, was headed by none other than John Shartel! The October 22, 1913, Oklahoman carried the story: "Patterson Line Sold To Shartel." The story says,
The purchase of the Patterson street railway lines by the North Canadian Valley Railroad Company, with John W. Shartel at its head, will mean the end of the war between rival companies, but will not lend toward the construction of any new lines in the city. Mr. Shartel has stated that he bought the Patterson line to give him an outlet for the line he contemplates building east to Shawnee. Within two or three weeks he expects to have connections made between the Patterson line and the terminal station of the Oklahoma Railway. * * * Mr. Shartel states that there is no connection between the new organization and the Oklahoma Railway company ..."
No connection? Yeah, right. Shawnee interurban line? Yeah, right, Shawnee again (that never happened). According to Bender's excellent article, "Contrary to the three-forked system [ed note: west, north & south], L.E. Patterson had illustrated the ideal interurban system for Oklahoma City in Sturm's Magazine in 1909. Like a spoked wheel, the lines ran outward in all directions leading from a central hub." The article also notes that neither the Oklahoma Railway Company nor the Patterson lines model well served the black section of Oklahoma City lying in the low lands to the southeast.

I could go on with this, but you're probably bored silly even if you've gotten this far! So, with this, I'll close this section, at least for now, on the early-day development and background of the Oklahoma City trolley system ... the interurban system will be discussed in Trolleys Part 2.

EYE CANDY. In this section, a tour is made of early day trolleys and their tracks. Sometimes the locations are clear, sometimes not. But, all are within Oklahoma City. Except as otherwise noted for individual images, the pics below are from Whitstle Stop Trains' excellent Oklahoma City Trolley CD which I heartily recommend to you. The store is located at 1313 West Britton Road in Oklahoma City.

Early Car Types. Several existed as you see below. I've not included any of the freight or other non-passenger vehicles.


From Whistle Stop Trains
Here's a "real" open air car




From Oklahoma County: Heart of the Promised Land
Around 1915, a car with a wicker chair lounge in the back



From Oklahoma County Metropolitan Library System
A closeup of the wicker chair lounge


A Map Around Town. The map below is from When Oklahoma Took The Trolley ... first, as it appears in the book, and, second, with the trolley and interurban lines color-coded. The map may come in handy when particular locations are referenced below.



The Color-Coded Version
Red=original tracks, Light Blue=later passenger or freight
Purple=freight only, Green=interurban



From Oklahoma County: Heart of the Promised Land
Laying Tracks Downtown



From Whistle Stop Trains (next 2 pics)



On Classen Approaching University Station



From Oklahoma County: Heart of the Promised Land
University Station just north of NW 17th & Classen



From Whistle Stop Trains
A Trolley In Maywood



From Vanished Splendor (I)
The Maywood Line apparently ran to Delmar Garden



From Metropolitan Library System
Open Air Car At Delmar (1909)



From Whistle Stop Trains
More Track Being Laid
(I can't place the location ... let me know if you do)



From Whistle Stop Trains
University Station Again



From Vanished Splendor II
Notice the building in the right background

Epworth University. The building in the right background, above, is Epworth College or University, built in 1903, later named Oklahoma City University and, since 1922, located on NW 23rd. This development serves as an excellent example of "enlightened self interest." The Methodist Episcopal Church (today, the "United Methodist Church") had been divided by Civil War like so many other protestant denominations and, in this time, existed in two forms: the Methodist Episcopal Church headquartered in Shawnee, and the Methodist Episcopal Church, South, headquarterd in Chickasha. Anton Classen parlayed an arrangement which benefitted the churches coming together to form a common university, the city because it "got" the university, and Mr. Classen since it would be constructed along the trolley line which would go north on Classen Boulevard. Oklahoma City's competition included Enid, Fort Worth, and Winfield, Kansas. Born Grown says that, "Adoption of the proposal by both [Methodist] conference groups was the first successful effort toward unity since seventeen years before the Civil War." The Oklahoma City proposal, spearheaded by Classen, included the creation of a diagonal street from center city toward the proposed campus, a street which we now call "Classen Drive" — then it was just called "Classen" — which then had its northern terminus at NW 17th Street. The donation of land and gift of $100,000 capital won the day. So, when you hear about "University Addition," that's where the name comes from, as does "University Station" at NW 17th & (regular) Classen.

From Oklahoma County: Heart of the Promised Land
Epworth University Near University Station



Epworth University Today — Now Epworth United Methodist Church





University Station Marker, North of Braums







From Whistle Stop Trains
Early NE 6th & Walnut



From Whistle Stop Trains (next 4 pics)
In Capitol Hill









From Whistle Stop Trains
Car Barns & Facilities at NW 3rd & Ollie



Notice the Car Barn At The Right



From Oklahoma County: Heart of the Promised Land



From Vanished Splendor (I) (next 2 pics)

The Terminal Building (1910)





From Whistle Stop Trains



From Oklahoma County: Heart of the Promised Land
Main Street



From Whistle Stop Trains (next 7 pics)
Broadway



In Front of Carnegie Library



By Lee-Huckins Hotel around 1910
(The Herskowitz Building in background was completed in 1910)



By the Patterson (left) and Levy (Mercantile) (right) Buildings



From Whistle Stop Trains (next 2 pics)

Fairgrounds Terminal, 1908 or 1909



Improved



From VanishedSplendor II (next 2 pics)



1st Exchange Avenue Bridge
Crossing North Canadian To Packingtown



From Whistle Stop Trains (next 7 pics)
National Hotel in Packingtown



The Stockyards









A Stockyards Crew



The Stockyards Office in Later Times



From the Oklahoman, September 22, 1910
Oklahoma Railway Company's 1910 Plans for State Capitol (it never happened)



From Historic Photos of Oklahoma City
The Capitol in 1916 - Harn's Line in Foreground



From Whistle Stop Trains
Back on Classen — New Construction



Cropped Map For Classen Perspective
(larger image not available)



From VanishedSplendor (I)
Putnam Park Around 1904-05 (The book says 1900, but
trolleys didn't exist then ... hence a likely date)



From VanishedSplendor II
Putnam Park Later Became Memorial



Memorial Park Today
Between Classen & Western, NW 36 & NW 34





From Oklahoma City: Statehood to 1930
The Plan For Belle Isle Park
(Trolley line is near the top)



From Whistle Stop Trains
On Classen Looking South Toward NW 38th
(See the apartment house in the background)



The Apartment House Today — 1235 NW 38th


Belle Isle. Electricity was obviously needed to power the trolleys. However, during peak periods, the electric utility favored downtown lights and city use resulting in power to trolleys being suspended, the result being ... stranded street cars and passengers! So, the ORC built its own power supply at Belle Isle Lake in 1908. Problem solved. Note: Oklahoma City: Statehood to 1930 says the plant was built in 1910, but Oklahoman articles show that it was commenced in 1907 and done in 1908.

From Oklahoma City: Statehood to 1930



From Whistle Stop Trains
Another View



From Vanished Spendor (I)
Why Not Build A Great Park Way Up There?



From Oklahoma City: Statehood to 1930
Trolley Docks at Belle Isle Park



From Oklahoma County Metropolitan Library System
Trolley Platform at Belle Isle



From Whistle Stop Trains
A Trolley Going To (From?) Belle Isle


I'll end this section with a quotation from Roy Stewart's Born Grown at page 164:
After Classen's death in [December] 1922, Ed Overholser, president and manager of the Chamber of Commerce, who had been here since eight months after the opening, had this to say about Anton Classen: "It has been my good fortune to know intimately all the real town builders. Through association with my father I came in daily contact with them ... I have been in their councils ... I have heard them express their visions, hopes and fears ... I have seen results of all these things crystalized into the wonderful city that we have ... One man took a pencil and figured the area in square miles which this city must have to build upon, in the firm conviction that it would have 100,000 population. My father said that if he lived his alloted time he would see a city of 25,000. When that point was reached he raised the estimate to 40,000. I heard C.C. [C.J.?] Jones make the prediction that the figure would be 50,000 in his lifetime. Only Anton Classen believed 100,000 after studying the areas needed for residences and business, and other details. Then he began to purchase surrounding land that, in his judgment, the city would require. His success was due to the absolutely correct vision and working toward that vision."
Oklahoma City's population in 1920 was 91,295. Ten years later it reached 185,389. So, in the year he died, I'm figuring that he got it right on the nose! I'll take a capitalist like Anton Classen any day, and I'm proud to be living in University Addition, a part of the Mesta Park Neighborhood, myself!

That's all for now. Next stop: Okc Trolleys, Part II.

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Go To Trains Part 2   Go To Trains Part 3
Go To Trains Part 2A   Go To Trolleys Part II

27 comments:

Nick said...

Excellent blog so far! I'm especially interested in the Classen line and Belle Isle park. I have a good friend in Mesta Park who lives in a house built by Antone Classen. Recently we took a drive along the Linwood line to where it looped at NW 23rd. Would have been a remarkable sight.

Noticed today that some of the original wood overhead poles are still in place on Classen between Sheridan and 4th, now supporting street lights.

Look forward to your next page, it's fuelling a new modeling effort!

Nick

Cuatrodemayo said...

Great post! When can I expect part 2? I recently moved to 24th and Robinson and the above map indicates that there was a trolly that ran past my house. I am curious about that line.

Doug Dawg said...

Thanks, cuatro. I don't know when I'll get to Trolleys 2 but I think that I have some old photos of trolleys driving through your area on Robinson. I'll see what I can find.

Doug Dawg said...

cuatrodemayo, I've posted what Robinson trolley pics I have in this Photobucket album. But, to peruse many of the photos which will eventually be in Trolleys 2, they are in this Photobucket album.

Cuatrodemayo said...

Thanks, Doug. You rock!

Jared said...

Nice info to find. I wondered what the old rail road bed was from in my back yard. Turns out it was the freight/coal line from 39th to the Belle Isle Power plant. Thanks for the great info.

Blair Humphreys said...

Doug - this article is great! Your site is packed full of wonderfully researched and written articles on Oklahoma City's history; a passion we share. It is always a delight to come across one I have yet to read.

Thank you.

Doug Dawg said...

Thanks so much, Blair. Fact is, you helped write this article ... well, not literally, but it was you who put me onto that cool book, When Oklahoma Took The Trolley ... which is so fine!

proofer99 said...

I am creating a n scale trolley layout and getting ideas from your blog.

Sid Burgess said...

Great, fantastic research my friend. Such a rich history that is rarely being sung. Thanks for being our modern day bard.

Doug Dawg said...

Thanks, Sid. Much appreciated.

Anonymous said...

The blog above is fantastic. I'm looking for more information about Benson Park in Shawnee, Oklahoma. Is there a direction you could lead me to for more information? Thanks!

Doug Dawg said...

Thanks, anon. I can't be of much help as to Shawnee history, though, or more particularly Benson Park.

However, since you are apparently interested in both trolleys and Shawnee, I have scanned the 4 pages of When Oklahoma Took The Trolley referenced in the above article which are specific to Shawnee and have posted them in my photobucket account, should you wish to have them. Click each link below to open the particular scans and you can then save them.

Page 83
Page 84
Page 85
Page 86

Cody said...

This is absolutely great information. I did notice though, the birds eye photography of the car barn/bus barn is mirrored. You can look at the the aerial photographs in google maps, the foundations for those buildings still exist, although it appears they have begun to be torn up.

Doug Dawg said...

Thanks, Cody.

Is the photo you're referring to this one? The image is shown here in the same the way it was on the Vintage Rail Photos CD ... and it may easily have mirrored the image. I confess to having trouble with matching up this image with landmarks that I could recognize.

abay said...

Great, great work Doug. But when will you be publishing Trolleys Part 2? I arrived in OKC in 1954 so never saw a "trolley", or even a streetcar for that matter in OKC. My closest surviving college (UCLA)said he rode them when he journied to OKC from Ft. Sill while in the service in 1946 or 1947. I would like to know precisely when the last trolley ran. I'm sure you know. abay

Grant said...

If I were back in OKC, I'd love to do a survey, trace all those old lines, and see how much track is still visible in the streets. It would be fun to do an overlay map showing the results and possible use that to enlighten the process of determining routes for the current proposed light rail.

Doug Dawg said...

Thanks, Grant. When doing research for the Trolleys I (this) article nearly 3 years ago, I actually do a drive-about ... not of the entire routes shown in the map, but a lot, particularly northwest and southwest. Here and there, some vestige remnants were found but I didn't make notes as to where (slap me on the back of my head) but for the most part they no longer existed where I looked.

What city do you live in today, Grant?

Grant said...

Doug, nowadays I'm living and working in Palm Springs, California. I haven't been back to OK since '06 but I seem to recall bits of old track on 4th Street under the Santa Fe railroad viaduct. Those sorts of limited clearance points seem like they'd be the most likely spots to encounter tracks.

Doug Dawg said...

The track you recall on 4th is still there. Before this is done, I'll do another drive-around and see if I can make some sort of a list ... I added a section in Part 2 because of your comment.

Grant said...

I'm flattered! Thanks, Doug.

Doug Dawg said...

You're welcome ... and I thank you for reminding me that I should have included a section like that in the 1st place.

plaws said...

Have to agree with Cody - the picture of the Exchange Ave shops complex is mirrored. I was trying to match it up with Google's imagery and was having a heck of a time trying to orient things.

maps.live.com has "bird's eye" (aerial, as opposed to orbital) images from different angles and you can "fly around" a point. That's when I realized that if you flip the vintage image left to right, it matches up easily.

I can provide a mirrored copy if you need it.

LOVE this blog. :-)

Peter

Doug Dawg said...

Thanks, Peter.

Never getting a reply from Cody, I let this item slip from my mind since it was posted ... probably a year or two ago!

Anyway, I've flipped the photo ... you may need to press your F5 key to refresh ... is it correct now?

plaws said...

That's it! Exchange Ave on the left edge, the CRI&P on the bottom edge, the tracks along what is now curving tree line on the right (the line goes to what I assume is non-revenue trackage between 3rd and 4th). I'll post a link in a bit with the contemporary view.

Peter

Mark L. said...

I guess you all saw that most of the track from S. 6th and Classen is gone due to the realignment. But at the intersection of 6th and Classen you can see 4 tracks and one even goes to 5th and stops. I appreciate the nut and bolt junctions connecting the rails. I saw these tracks when looking for the old Canal plaque.
Thanks for the photos though, seeing that the old trolley barn is still there is neat.

Mark L. said...

I think that photo vrp_early_layingtrack02.jpg is on 4th street looking west from where 235 now intersects it. The key is the strange looking building on the right side of the photo in the background. As I came upon Rolater Hospital, I realized it looks exactly like the photos. As for the jog in the track, well to this day 4th street is 2 lanes wide until it reaches where 235 intersects it then it becomes a boulevard going east. Also at the time of the photo there were primarily Black owned homes along 4th. Many of those homes were razed for the 235 corridor.